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Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

People generally compare Mastodon and other such software with emails. With that analogy clients like Tusky/Fedilab are similar to email clients that lets you connect to certain domains(IMAP and SMTP server in emails).

I have never seen any email client that doesn't let you connect to certain domains, just because those domains endorse "extremist" views.

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

Tusky's this dicision is political and I have no problems with that. Tusky being a free software, anyone can undo those things.

But if any client doesn't take such dicisions, I'd not judge it or wouldn't refuse to use it.

re: Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@redstarfish The problem I have with it is that its based on the authors biases and perceptions of what is extremist. I know that I’m blocked by most of the “canceldon” servers — although I think if you look at my server rules they are pretty reasonable. There is no history of abuse from my server and yet, the perception is different.

Put bluntly, the gatekeepers have proven time and time again that they can’t be trusted, and they are not reasonable people who you can even interact with in a meaningful way. So I wouldn’t use or support rubbish software like Tusky for that reason.

re: Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@shebang @redstarfish My thoughts on the matter: if you’re going to block services in your app, advertise it. If it’s a feature your users want, then let everyone know so we can know to not use that software or fork that software.

Having to find out because the developer made a git commit titled “FFFFFFFFFFUCKKKKKKKKK” to reverse a rickroll is just lame. Either stand by your bias or seek to be unbiased, the manipulativeness is just pathetic.

re: Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@sev @redstarfish Well, that’s very accurate: Its manipulative and empty virtue signalling. Its pretty much as far away from the spirit of free software as you can possibly get — the developer making decisions on how software should be used, and what kind of messages are acceptable.

Its honestly repulsive behaviour. I have zero respect for the Tusky devs.

re: Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@shebang @sev @redstarfish same, they made me believe that in the future we will have calculator apps that doesnt work if the user inputs 1488 in a operation.
The whole point of having a decentralized network in the first place was letting users get free of gatekeepers of information and for them to interact with people of diferent social circles.

re: Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@smartomato @redstarfish @sev Right. It seems that people find it acceptable because “I don’t like that message either.”

Ok well I don’t like your message that you don’t like that message, so please have tusky patched to remove those kinds of messages. etc etc

Its all shortsighted and frankly ignorant nonsense.

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@redstarfish Software is made by humans. Humans have opinions, thus software is inherently opinionated. Software does not live in a political vacuum.

As long as the author did not develop that piece of software under a false promise, it is up to them to decide what they want to do with it.

My opinion on this matter: Fuck nazi's.

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@metabever

If you see the 2nd part of my post(attached as a reply of the first), I actually agree with you.

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@redstarfish I’d feel better if they were more honest about it, like saying “we sabatoged our client for instance.org because we hate communist nazi jews” in the README, instead of just hiding something in their code like if(inscrutablehash(domain)==="574379494294834") { sleep(10); return fail("server returned temporary error 502 try again"); }

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@redstarfish
But email clients let you block spam and other unwanted messaging.

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@ScottMortimer

That's why I'm fine with mastodon.social or any other domain, blocking another domain.

But email clients don't block you from connecting to any IMAP/SMTP servers(and setting up accounts).

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@redstarfish

True. But someone could build email client software that would do that as SMTP/IMAP/POP are open standards.

I personally have no problem with a Mastodon app blocking what they perceive to be extremist instances as their right to do as they wish with their software.

Nothing prevents anyone from using the native Mastodon web client.

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@redstarfish

Much of this can be attributed to how different email and AP services work.

AP servers today largely reflect the community of users. In email this is less and less true as many people use large systems like GMail, but it was more true in the past, and in the past it was very common to block domains.

In addition, AP systems take up your resources even if you don't want them, which is harder in email, which has a "to" header.

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@emacsen I can't think of any MUA that would blacklist certain servers or domains. Allow the local user or admin to set up a blacklist? Sure. Ship with a hardcoded whitelist? Maybe, though this would mostly mean only supporting some non-standard server through its proprietary protocol. But hardcoding a blacklist in the software itself? Can't think of a single instance.

Oh, and if you think the To: header prevents anyone from wasting your resources, let me tell you about spam one of these days. :-)

@redstarfish

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@nono

I was under the impression that Tusky auto-connected to a service providing allow/denylisting rather than hard coded it. Hard coding such lists is silly.

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@emacsen Woops, sorry, I may have misunderstood here. I guess there is nothing wrong with such a service as long as its use is opt-in? Or even opt-out, really, I guess.

Opinion about Tusky and others blocking certain domains 

@nono I was asking. I don't know Tusky's internal

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