can we just like delete the linux audio stack and start over?
@jaxter184 they say that Pipewire should fix the mess.
@jaxter184 I thought about this xkcd too ;)
Regarding PA, I must say it works fine for multimedia - multisource (Bt, USB, PCI).
pavucontrol-qt is really nice.
For MAO, I can't tell.
@jaxter184 personally I really like it :)
@mllepogany im being a little over-the-top, but i still think some better choices could have resulted in a much better ecosystem. but hey, im just some internet rando, what do i know?
@jaxter184 what has been your biggest issues with it? Conflicts between pulseaudio and jack?
@mllepogany thats a big part of it, yeah, in both the technical sense that it takes a lot of effort to get them to play nicely together and the ideological sense that they work in very different ways. it just feels so messy. I also wanna clarify that i dont absolutely hate linux audio or think its inherently bad, I just think itd be nice if we could wipe everything out and build something new based on what we've learned.
@mllepogany the heuristic that i think expresses my feelings best is to ask "Would i recommend this to my music hobbyist friends?", the answer to which is "no, unless im there to set up and maintain everything"
@jaxter184 Linux audio takes more research and a bit of reading up on some more advanced topics in regards of digital audio processing. In my experience it's been well worth it and made me better at what I do, but I can understand it's not the easiest start for someone starting out as you mentioned
@jaxter184 I understand what you mean. When I started out I felt I couldn't switch my audio production to Linux but found Ubuntu Studio to be very good for me as a beginner. A few clicks in the Ubuntu Studio Controls and jack and pulseaudio was running together (with tons of plugins in Ardour out of the box).
Would it be nice having one unified stable audio tool? Sure, but to debug new software projects on that scale takes a ton of time...
@jaxter184 Is there any explanation on why is the linux audio stack so bad?
@threed if youre asking the reason why it ended up being bad, id say its because the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few. if youre asking why i think its bad, it feels very non-modular, and therefore non-linux-y. at best, linux audio is cluttered, and at worst, its incredibly frustrating to use. also, other OSes tend to have better solutions because theyre more monolithic (which i suppose is a poor tradeoff).
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